Ft. Hood

Yup, the whole thing is stupid.

Another thing, all of the discussion about post-traumatic stress is a non-starter. The guy has never been deployed anywhere.

	Ytoabn wrote:
	Just a few months ago, a U.S. soldier in an Iraqi hospital killed 5 of his fellow soldiers. Call it post traumatic stress disorder, call it a guy who's just crazy. Either way, this sort of stuff does seem to happen with all kinds of soldiers.

Did that guy associate with Al Qaeda sympathizers? Did he call himself a "Soldier of Allah"? Did he shout the praises of Allah as he killed the other soldiers? No, he didn't - but then again, I guess the facts don't matter when you have an agenda to promote. Sure, that guy may have cracked, but Hasan didn't. He had never even been to theater, so PTSD is a load of crap. And the surveillance of him goes back months prior to the massacre. He didn't just snap one day, he's been one of the enemy for a long time.

TrueFlog wrote:

	Ytoabn wrote:
	Just a few months ago, a U.S. soldier in an Iraqi hospital killed 5 of his fellow soldiers. Call it post traumatic stress disorder, call it a guy who's just crazy. Either way, this sort of stuff does seem to happen with all kinds of soldiers.

Did that guy associate with Al Qaeda sympathizers? Did he call himself a "Soldier of Allah"? Did he shout the praises of Allah as he killed the other soldiers? No, he didn't - but then again, I guess the facts don't matter when you have an agenda to promote. Sure, that guy may have cracked, but Hasan didn't. He had never even been to theater, so PTSD is a load of crap. And the surveillance of him goes back months prior to the massacre. He didn't just snap one day, he's been one of the enemy for a long time.

I wasn't trying to argue that this had nothing to do with his faith. It's obvious he got sucked into radical Islam. I was trying to counter MMS' point that ONLY Muslims do this thing, because he seemed to be driving a point where Muslims had to be kept in constant fear if they were soldiers. I put up a counter argument that other soldiers have gone crazy and killed their own without a Muslim faith being involved

Hasan went crazy, turned to radical Islamic views that convinced him he needed to kill his own soldiers.
Other soldiers have gone crazy too, some due to personal issues, some due PTSD, some due to whatever. The end point being that if we want to prevent things like this from happening again we have to watch out for signs of crazy in all soldiers, not just those wacky Muslims. If a soldier is showing signs of PTSD or some kind of war stress, than we need to pull him out. If a soldier like Hasan is involved with a radical cleric and talks about divine punishment for American soldiers killing Islamic people, then he needs to be pulled out (hindsight being 20/20).

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Soldiers snapping due to PTSD and people deciding they are going radical Islamic terrorist are two wholly different things, and MMS' point still stands.

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	MMS wrote:
	Whether he was insane, or just a terrorist (which seems insane to us, so we like to excuse them rather than consider there might actually be monsters in the world

They have human form, and thus deserve human doubt. You yourself can be rather cavalier about killing certain groups of people.

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And here's the thing... y'know who causes these problems? Muslims. When was the last time a Jewish soldier shot up a military base, or a Wiccan rolled a grenade into a tent filled with fellow soldiers? They don't. Muslims do this. Can only blame the crazy so many times before you notice that the crazies happen to be the same religion. It's a problem and a pattern. It can be handled rightly, or handled wrongly, but ignoring it is definitely the latter.

I once thought correlation implied causation, but then I took a statistics class and I didn't. I'm pretty sure one had something to do with the other.

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I'm not saying it's a correlation. It is causation. I'm cavalier about giving an extra once-over to people that try to kill civilians.

It's exactly this sort of holier than thou the terrorists rely upon. They're not playing by our rules. They're just taking advantage of them.

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	MMS wrote:
	It's exactly this sort of holier than thou the terrorists rely upon.

Pff, hah!

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