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Fata Morgana
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Joined: 01 Jan 1970 Posts: 2373
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| Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:31 am |
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Erunanton

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How is this different from Christian extremism? Aren't there large number of Christians in the country who want to have our government be an authoritarian theocracy? And aren't they taken more seriously, and even have candidates in Congress?
25% of American Muslims find suicide bombings to kill civilians acceptable? 25% of Americans favored the complete extermination of every Japanese man, woman, and child during WWII. How many modern day Americans have similar feelings about The Other?
This is nothing new. Radical Islam is exactly as dangerous as every other dangerous group of people in the States, maybe less so, since they're so identifiable.
Now communists, those are the dangerous ones. Could be anybody. Even you...
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| Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:52 am |
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Karishnikov
Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 634
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Umm, isn't this site run by an organization which is considered to be the most right-wing, fundamentalist Judaic movement? I mean, there's nothing inherently wrong with being right-wing, fundamentalist, or Jewish, I just think we should consider the source when viewing their propaganda.
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| Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:06 am |
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Fata Morgana
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I wasn't aware of the politics of the website. Here's the home page of the documentary: http://www.thethirdjihad.com/
I guess what I don't get about the reactions to this video is that, whatever the politics of the people posting it, and whatever your personal political views, the video includes recordings of radical Muslims saying crazy shit. And instead of people responding with, "wow, that's some crazy shit right there", the response is, "Well, other people are crazy, too" (yeah, and they're universally condemned for it, rather than defended) or "That website has it's own radical bias!" (yeah, but it doesn't make recorded statements any less valid).
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| Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:43 am |
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Karishnikov
Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 634
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People who have an alarmist or conservative slant regularly heap attention on radical Muslim views about the role of Western ideals in their worldview. Namely, these radical Muslims want to destroy Western civilization. By focusing on the content of their statements, people further a conflict which has no bi-lateral resolution. The only way to solve the "radical Muslim problem," is to invade every country which allows their kind to thrive, and to eliminate them, according to many conservatives.
Of course, this solution has very little merit, as has been proved in Iraq. When a Western nation, or coalition of Western nations invades a sovereign Muslim country, Muslim extremists just get more propaganda furthering their recruitment efforts. Yes, they are very dangerous, and will most likely kill Westerners or other Muslims who disagree with their worldview, and yes, at that point, an appropriate reaction would be to eliminate that particular group's ability to act.
However, extremist Muslims simply stating their beliefs and desires is no reason to begin a new set of "Crusades." The best, long term solution for this issue is of course, one which comes from within the Muslim community. I have read about many Muslim movements which have moved away from the initial militaristic tendencies which their first Islamic ancestors used fourteen hundred years ago. It will be the continued efforts of the majority of rational Muslim people which will ultimately defeat Muslim extremism.
Let's not forget, that as Western societies, we still have extremists of our own. Whether it be the Jared Loughners and Timothy McVeighs who are unstable and commit horrific acts of homegrown terrorism, or the white supremacists who advocate extermination of any non-Anglo-Saxon people, the vast majority of Americans reject their actions and any notions that they espouse.
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| Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:14 am |
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Erunanton

Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 2248
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Wow, that is some crazy shit right there.
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| Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:30 pm |
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800m

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This video is trying to say Islamic extremism has a chance to topple the United States, which is ridiculous on so many levels. How, exactly? 9/11 was terrible, and sure, there's probably a growing number of Islamic extremists in this country, whether that's in prison or the camps they mentioned. But this is a far far cry to turning America into an Islamic state. Islamic extremism is still a very small, very radical minority, a minority that the vast majority of Americans vehemently oppose. People aren't going to magically forget about the atrocities that Islamic extremists have committed in America and throughout the world and just shrug their shoulders while we induct Shariah law. It's a huge leap in logic and just buys into the fears that these terrorists want us to feel.
As Eru rightly points out, we are in much more danger turning into a Christian state, if anything. Our culture is much more rooted in Christian extremism; many of our politicians are exactly that. I would argue, if anything, that the threat of Muslim extremism isn't the so-called "threat" itself, but the reaction to that perceived threat, the induction of a more (Christian) theocratic government or some other illogical and over-reactionary measure. I am much more afraid of the policies our politicians are going to find excuses to pass in the name of fighting the so-called Islamic menace.
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| Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:27 pm |
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Swordfishes

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